Lillie Cain interview
Monday, January 13, 2020 – 8:30 a.m.
Lillie Cain is the receptionist at the nursing home where Jerry Shaw was employed.
Detectives Armstrong and Murphy interviewed her at Yoknapatawpha Acres.
- Detective T. Armstrong
- Detective S. Murphy
- Lillie Cain
Detective Murphy: Thanks for coming in early to talk to us, Ms. Cain.
Lillie Cain: It's okay, but I got to be out at the desk by 9:00. Mr. Landrigan gets mad if I'm late.
Detective Murphy: We'll make sure you get there in time. Would you state your name and address for our records?
Lillie Cain: I'm Lillie Cain. I live in Oxford at 110 Breckenridge Drive.
Detective Murphy: Did you bring the visitors log?
Lillie Cain: Yes. Here it is.
Detective Murphy: Great. We'd like to take a look at the entries for March 6th. You're aware of what happened that day?
Lillie Cain: Heck, yeah. That's the day Jerry died. Worst day I've ever had at work.
Detective Armstrong: Why's that?
Lillie Cain: I've never worked with anyone who died while we were at work. That's just weird, right?
Detective Armstrong: I don't want to seem insensitive, but don't people die here sometimes?
Lillie Cain: Well, yeah, but not employees.
Detective Armstrong: Did you know Jerry Shaw?
Lillie Cain: Sure. He was a real flirt. He used to come out to reception and talk to me sometimes.
Detective Armstrong: So you were friends?
Lillie Cain: Yeah, I guess. I mean, I didn't really know him that well, but I guess so.
Detective Armstrong: Did you ever go out with him?
Lillie Cain: No. I don't date people I work with.
Detective Armstrong: And Jerry was okay with that?
Lillie Cain: Yeah, I guess.
Detective Murphy: Let's go over this visitors log. Is this typical of the number of visitors you see in a day?
Lillie Cain: Yeah. Not that many people come here, really.
Detective Murphy: Can you walk us through who these people are?
Lillie Cain: Sure.
Detective Murphy: This first one, Miriam Collier. Do you know her?
Lillie Cain: No. She's some kind of saleslady. She came to see Mr. Landrigan.
Detective Murphy: And David Lombard?
Lillie Cain: I don't remember— wait, he brought flowers for Miss Rose. It was her birthday.
Detective Murphy: Do you know who sent them?
Lillie Cain: Probably her daughter. She's like a lawyer or something.
Detective Murphy: What about Renee Roberts?
Lillie Cain: Miss Renee comes every day to have lunch with her mama. A lot of people just put their relatives in here and forget about them, but not Miss Renee.
Detective Murphy: Ed Harbison?
Lillie Cain: He comes to see his mother three or four times a week.
Detective Armstrong: It looks like he didn't sign out.
Lillie Cain: What? No, that's not right. Mr. Harbison always signs out. He's real nice about it.
Detective Armstrong: Take a look.
Lillie Cain: That's weird. Maybe he forgot?
Detective Armstrong: Were you at the desk when he left?
Lillie Cain: I'm always at the desk.
Detective Armstrong: Did you maybe take a break or anything that afternoon?
Lillie Cain: Well, yeah, but I was only gone a couple of minutes. I went to the little girls' room, and then I got some sweet tea, but I brought it back to the desk with me. I came right back. I swear.
Detective Armstrong: I don't doubt it. Do you remember what time you took your break?
Lillie Cain: Around 3:00 p.m., I think?
Detective Armstrong: And do you remember seeing Ed Harbison leave that day?
Lillie Cain: I don't know. He's here all the time. Maybe I did?
Detective Murphy: It looks like Matt Hooper came in a few minutes after Ed Harbison. Were you at the desk then?
Lillie Cain: Yes.
Detective Murphy: It says here that Mr. Hooper was delivering oxygen.
Lillie Cain: Yeah.
Detective Murphy: I would've thought deliveries came in through the back.
Lillie Cain: Well, yeah, they usually do.
Detective Murphy: But?
Lillie Cain: Matt likes to come in through the front.
Detective Murphy: And you just let him?
Lillie Cain: Well, yeah. It's easier for him, and he's never here for very long.
Detective Armstrong: You think maybe he likes to come in through the front to see you?
Lillie Cain: I don't know.
Detective Armstrong: Yes, you do. Look at that smile. Come on now.
Lillie Cain: Okay, maybe. Yeah.
Detective Armstrong: And you let him because you want to see him?
Lillie Cain: You know… Matt's cute and everything, but he hasn't asked me out or anything yet.
Detective Armstrong: Do y'all ever have lunch here together?
Lillie Cain: No. He used to make his deliveries around lunchtime, and he'd eat with— with Jerry. But they haven't done that for a while.
Detective Armstrong: How long?
Lillie Cain: I don't know. Two or three weeks, maybe?
Detective Armstrong: Do you know why they stopped having lunch together?
Lillie Cain: I think maybe Matt was mad at him about something. Maybe he found out that Jerry was hitting on me?
Detective Armstrong: How often do you eat lunch here?
Lillie Cain: I usually bring something from home. It's— the food here is not so good.
Detective Murphy: Let's see if we can get through the rest of this list. There are only a few more. After Mr. Hooper, Manuel Cornelius Jr. came in. Were you at the desk when he arrived?
Lillie Cain: Yes. He comes in a couple of times a week to check on his dad.
Detective Murphy: Were you at the desk when he left?
Lillie Cain: Yeah.
Detective Murphy: And Kate Berry?
Lillie Cain: She's so sweet. She comes to visit her grandma, Miss Ada.
Detective Murphy: And Helen Small?
Lillie Cain: She comes to check on her dad a lot lately. It seems like she's been really worried about him.
Detective Murphy: Do you know why?
Lillie Cain: I don't know.
Detective Murphy: But you have a guess, don't you?
Lillie Cain: I don't know. It seemed like maybe she was worried they weren't taking care of him right, but why would they do that?
Detective Murphy: Did she ever say that to anyone that you know of?
Lillie Cain: Not to me. I don't know what she said to anyone else. Are we almost done? I've got to get up front.
Detective Armstrong: Just one more thing. Are there any other entrances or exits where people might come in or go out without you seeing them?
Lillie Cain: Well, there's the delivery entrance back by the kitchen.
Detective Armstrong: And?
Lillie Cain: Okay, don't tell anyone I told you, but I think the alarms on the emergency exits don't always work. Or some people know how to turn them off? I don't know.
Detective Armstrong: What makes you think so?
Lillie Cain: I don't know. It just seems like— I don't know.
Detective Murphy: Since Mr. Harbison didn't sign out, do you think maybe he went out one of those other exits?
Lillie Cain: No. He doesn't work here.
Detective Murphy: Okay. Well, thanks again for talking to us. We'll let you know if we need anything else from you.
Lillie Cain: Okay. Have a nice day.
Interview ended – 8:58 a.m.