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Thursday, December 8, 2016 – 8:31 a.m.

Nancy Ford worked with Caroline Jordan at Santa's Toy Shoppe.

Detectives Armstrong and Murphy re-interviewed her at the Yoknapatawpha County Sheriff's Department. The interview was recorded with witness's knowledge and consent.

  • Detective T. Armstrong
  • Detective S. Murphy
  • Nancy Ford

Detective Murphy: Good morning, Ms. Ford. Please state your name and address for the record.

Nancy Ford: Why am I here again? You're wasting my time. I don't know anything about Carly's murder. I need to get to work or I'll be late.

Detective Armstrong: We sure are sorry if this is an inconvenient time for you, but I'm sure you can see how finding your friend's killer has to take priority. You can, can't you?

Nancy Ford: I guess. But it's not like the whole world stopped just because Carly's not in it anymore.

Detective Armstrong: Just give us your name and address so we can get started, would you, please?

Nancy Ford: OK! You don't have to yell. My name is Nancy Ford, and I live at 44 County Road 3022, Oxford.

Detective Murphy: Ms. Ford, what time did you arrive at Carly's party?

Nancy Ford: I'm not sure. It was later in the afternoon, maybe 5:30 or quarter to 6:00. I'm not really sure.

Detective Murphy: Did you drive there?

Nancy Ford: No, I walked. I don't live that far from Carly's place.

Detective Murphy: There's a considerable amount of traffic on that road, and it's very dark at night. Why would you walk there?

Nancy Ford: I didn't walk on the road. I took a short cut through the woods. It's closer that way, and I can stay off the main road.

Detective Murphy: How long was the walk?

Nancy Ford: It takes about 30 minutes. So what?

Detective Murphy: What time did you leave the party?

Nancy Ford: I guess around 9:15, 9:30. I'm not sure.

Detective Murphy: Who was at the party when you left?

Nancy Ford: I know Morgan was still there, but I'm not sure about the others. I left out the back door. What's this got to do with anything?

Detective Armstrong: Please just answer the questions, Ms. Ford. Was everyone at the party wearing a costume?

Nancy Ford: No. Morgan was dressed as Santa because it was a Christmas party and he already had the costume from work. I'm not sure about the others. I didn't pay much attention.

Detective Armstrong: What about Carly? Was she wearing a costume?

Nancy Ford: She had on the elf costume from the Toy Shoppe.

Detective Armstrong: Did it make you angry to see her wearing that costume?

Nancy Ford: Why would it?

Detective Armstrong: We heard Morgan promised you that job and then gave it to Carly. You weren't upset about that?

Nancy Ford: Yeah, of course, I was. So what? She got her precious promotion, but I deserved that job. Besides, she didn't give a damn about Morgan, and she didn't even need the money.

Detective Murphy: But you did need the money. Tell us why.

Nancy Ford: I wanted to move out of my parents' house. With the pay raise from the elf job, I finally would've been able to afford a place of my own. But she ruined that for me, just like she always ruined everything for me.

Detective Armstrong: So she stole your job and your man.

Nancy Ford: Yep, just because she could.

Detective Armstrong: She didn't have any other reason?

Nancy Ford: What reason could she have? She never had any interest in Morgan except what he could do for her, but he couldn't see it. He fell for her nice act like everyone else.

Detective Armstrong: You sound pretty resentful.

Nancy Ford: So I hated her, and I was pissed off about the job. I didn't kill her. That's crazy!

Detective Armstrong: Wow. All right.

Nancy Ford: I'm sorry for snapping at you. I told you before, I didn't really like her. And it seems like all anyone can talk about now is poor Carly. I guess it's starting to get on my nerves.

Detective Murphy: I understand. Listen, Ms. Ford, we need to—

Nancy Ford: Could you just call me Nancy? You're freaking me out calling me Ms. Ford.

Detective Murphy: OK. Nancy, we need to ask you about something that may be a little hard for you to talk about.

Nancy Ford: What?

Detective Murphy: You said Morgan was still there when you left, and other people told us the same thing.

Nancy Ford: So?

Detective Murphy: And you're not the first one to tell us that he had a romantic interest in Carly.

Nancy Ford: I'm not sure it was romance he was interested in, but whatever. So what?

Detective Murphy: But she wasn't interested in dating him?

Nancy Ford: No, not even a little bit.

Detective Murphy: Well, you can see how that adds up, right? She took advantage of his interest in her to get the promotion and then rejected his advances. He was the last one to see her alive. His fingerprints are on the murder weapon. This may be hard to hear, but Morgan killed Carly.

Nancy Ford: Finger— what? No, he did not!

Detective Murphy: All the evidence says he did.

Nancy Ford: No, it does— no, that's wrong. You made a mistake.

Detective Murphy: I understand why you'd say that, Nancy. I really do. You love him, and you don't want to believe he could do something so terrible and violent. But he did.

Nancy Ford: No, he didn't! I'm telling you, you're wrong. He would never do anything like that. He's a good man.

Detective Murphy: Maybe he was once. But now, he's a murderer.

Nancy Ford: No, he's not— You're not listening to me. He didn't do it!

Detective Armstrong: How can you be so sure? You weren't there.

Nancy Ford: I— because I know Morgan.

Detective Armstrong: That's sweet, but it's not evidence.

Detective Murphy: Maybe you can testify as a character witness for him at his trial. Might help him avoid the death penalty.

Nancy Ford: The death penalty! Oh, my god!

Detective Murphy: Unless…

Nancy Ford: Unless what?

Detective Murphy: Is it possible there's anything you haven't told us? Maybe some detail you forgot to mention before?

Nancy Ford: I don't know. Like what?

Detective Armstrong: You could save Morgan's life, Nancy. All you have to do is tell us what you already know we need to hear.

Nancy Ford: I don't know what you want me to say.

Detective Armstrong: Yes, you do.

Nancy Ford: You want me to say I killed her?

Detective Armstrong: Did you?

Nancy Ford: I don't…

Detective Armstrong: Are you going to let Carly take Morgan away from you again? Permanently this time?

Nancy Ford: She just can't stop ruining my life, even from the grave.

Detective Murphy: I understand, Nancy. I really do. And I know it was very tough on you. She had everything you wanted, and I can see why you hated her. After all, she took your man and your job, right?

Nancy Ford: You know she did.

Detective Murphy: It must have been hard growing up in that crowded house with no privacy and to still be living there as an adult? Then you couldn't even take comfort in the arms of the man you love because Carly was leading him on to keep him away from you.

Nancy Ford: You're not wrong.

Detective Murphy: If Carly was out of the picture, you could have it all. Maybe she just got what she deserved.

Nancy Ford: You know what? You got that part right. Carly had everything, and I had nothing. She stole my job and stole my Morgan, and she deserved everything that happened to her. He promised that job to me!

Detective Murphy: That must've been very hard on you.

Nancy Ford: Uh, yeah! Don't I deserve something better for once? I have a right to have something good happen to me just one time, don't I? I had to get rid of her. That was the only way. I had to. You understand.

Detective Murphy: We do understand, Nancy. Tell us how it happened.

Nancy Ford: She was so smug at work. I wanted to smack her. At the party, I saw my chance to get rid of her. She was making everyone look at that stupid knife she loved so much. When they all left and Morgan went into the bathroom, I got it from under the tree and I confronted her. I told her the job should have been mine. I told her she should give it up and tell Morgan to give it to me.

Detective Murphy: What did she say?

Nancy Ford: She just laughed. Then she said, "Morgan gave me the job because he thought I was the best person for it. I'm sorry if you're upset about it." If? So I shoved the knife into her. I loved watching the shock on her face while she crumbled to the floor. I'm glad you understand. She had to die. It was the only way.

Detective Armstrong: Nancy Ford, you're under arrest for the murder of Caroline Jordan.

Nancy Ford: No! Wait! You said you understood.

Interview ends – 9:20 a.m.

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