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Lillie Cain saw who came and went the day of the murder

Monday March 10, 2014 - 8:30 a.m.

Lillie Cain is the receptionist at the nursing home where Jerry Shaw was employed. Detectives Armstrong and Murphy interviewed her at Yoknapatawpha Acres. The interview was recorded with the witness's knowledge and consent.

Participants:

  • Detective T. Armstrong
  • Detective S. Murphy
  • Lillie Cain

Detective Murphy: Thanks for coming in early to talk to us, Ms. Cain.

Lillie Cain: It's OK, but I got to be out at the desk by 9:00. Mr. Landrigan gets mad if I'm late.

Detective Murphy: We'll make sure you get there in time. Would you state your name and address for our records?

Lillie Cain: I'm Lillie Cain. I live in Oxford at 110 Breckenridge Drive.

Detective Murphy: Did you bring the visitors log?

Lillie Cain: Yes. Here it is.

Detective Murphy: Great. We'd like to take a look at the entries for March 6th. You're aware what happened that day?

Lillie Cain: Heck, yeah. That's the day Jerry died. Worst day I've ever had at work.

Detective Armstrong: Why's that?

Lillie Cain: I've never worked with anyone who died while we were at work. That's just weird, right?

Detective Armstrong: I don't want to seem insensitive, but don't people die here sometimes?

Lillie Cain: Well, yeah, but not employees.

Detective Armstrong: Did you know Jerry Shaw?

Lillie Cain: Sure. He was a real flirt. He used to come out to reception and talk to me sometimes.

Detective Armstrong: So you were friends?

Lillie Cain: Yeah, I guess. I mean, I didn't really know him that well, but I guess so.

Detective Armstrong: Did you ever go out with him?

Lillie Cain: No. I don't date people I work with.

Detective Armstrong: And Jerry was OK with that?

Lillie Cain: Yeah, I guess.

Detective Murphy: Let's go over this visitors log. Is this typical of the number of visitors you see in a day?

Lillie Cain: Yeah. Not that many people come here really.

Detective Murphy: Can you walk us through who these people are?

Lillie Cain: Sure.

Detective Murphy: This first one, Miriam Collier. Do you know her?

Lillie Cain: No. She's some kind of sales lady. She came to see Mr. Landrigan.

Detective Murphy: And David Lombard?

Lillie Cain: I don't remember— wait, he brought flowers for Miss Rose. It was her birthday.

Detective Murphy: Do you know who sent them?

Lillie Cain: Probably her daughter. She's like a lawyer or something.

Detective Murphy: What about Renee Roberts?

Lillie Cain: Miss Renee comes every day to have lunch with her mama. A lot of people just put their relatives in here and forget about them, but not Miss Renee.

Detective Murphy: Ed Harbison?

Lillie Cain: He comes to see his mother three or four times a week.

Detective Armstrong: It looks like he didn't sign out.

Lillie Cain: What? No, that's not right. Mr. Harbison always signs out. He's real nice about it.

Detective Armstrong: Take a look.

Lillie Cain: That's weird. Maybe he forgot?

Detective Armstrong: Were you at the desk when he left?

Lillie Cain: I'm always at the desk.

Detective Armstrong; Did you maybe take a break or anything that afternoon?

Lillie Cain: Well, yeah, but I was only gone a couple of minutes. I went to the little girls room, and then I got some sweet tea, but I brought it back to the desk with me. I came right back. I swear.

Detective Armstrong: I don't doubt it. Do you remember what time you took your break?

Lillie Cain: Around 3:00 p.m., I think?

Detective Armstrong: And do you remember seeing Ed Harbison leave that day?

Lillie Cain: I don't know. He's here all the time. Maybe I did?

Detective Murphy: It looks like Matt Hooper came in a few minutes after Ed Harbison. Were you at the desk then?

Lillie Cain: Yes.

Detective Murphy: It says here that Mr. Hooper was delivering oxygen.

Lillie Cain: Yeah.

Detective Murphy: I would've thought deliveries came in through the back.

Lillie Cain: Well, yeah, they usually do.

Detective Murphy: But?

Lillie Cain: Matt likes to come in through the front.

Detective Murphy: And you just let him?

Lillie Cain: Well, yeah. It's easier for him, and he's never here for very long.

Detective Armstrong: You think maybe he likes to come in through the front to see you?

Lillie Cain: I don't know.

Detective Armstrong: Yes, you do. Look at that smile. Come on now.

Lillie Cain: OK, maybe. Yeah.

Detective Armstrong: And you let him because you want to see him?

Lillie Cain: You know… Matt's cute and everything, but he hasn't asked me out or anything yet.

Detective Armstrong: Do y'all ever have lunch here together?

Lillie Cain: No. He used to make his deliveries around lunchtime, and he'd eat with– with Jerry. But they haven't done that for a while.

Detective Armstrong: How long?

Lillie Cain: I don't know. Two or three weeks maybe?

Detective Armstrong: Do you know why they stopped having lunch together?

Lillie Cain: I think maybe Matt was mad at him about something. Maybe he found out that Jerry was hitting on me?

Detective Armstrong: How often do you eat lunch here?

Lillie Cain: I usually bring something from home. It's– the food here is not so good.

Detective Murphy: Let's see if we can get through the rest of this list. There are only a few more. After Mr. Hooper, Manuel Cornelius Jr. came in. Were you at the desk when he arrived?

Lillie Cain: Yes. He comes in a couple of times a week to check on his dad.

Detective Murphy: Were you at the desk when he left?

Lillie Cain: Yeah.

Detective Murphy: And Kate Berry?

Lillie Cain: She's so sweet. She comes to visit her grandma, Miss Ada.

Detective Murphy: And Helen Small?

Lillie Cain: She comes to check on her dad a lot lately. It seems like she's been really worried about him.

Detective Murphy: Do you know why?

Lillie Cain: I don't know.

Detective Murphy: But you have a guess, don't you?

Lillie Cain: I don't know. It seemed like maybe she was worried they weren't taking care of him right, but why would they do that?

Detective Murphy: Did she ever say that to anyone that you know of?

Lillie Cain: Not to me. I don't know what she said to anyone else. Are we almost done? I've got to get up front.

Detective Armstrong: Just one more thing. Are there any other entrances or exits where people might come in or go out without you seeing them?

Lillie Cain: Well, there's the delivery entrance back by the kitchen.

Detective Armstrong: And?

Lillie Cain: OK, don't tell anyone I told you, but I think the alarms on the emergency exits don't always work. Or some people know how to turn them off? I don't know.

Detective Armstrong: What makes you think so?

Lillie Cain: I don't know. It just seems like– I don't know.

Detective Murphy: Since Mr. Harbison didn't sign out, do you think maybe he went out one of those other exits?

Lillie Cain: No. He doesn't work here.

Detective Murphy: OK. Well, thanks again for talking to us. We'll let you know if we need anything else from you.

Lillie Cain: OK. Have a nice day.

Interview ends - 8:58 a.m.

 

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