Monday, March 24, 2014 - 3:10 p.m.
Ed Herbison is the son of Magnolia Herbison, a Yoknapatawpha Acres nursing home residten. Deteactves Armstrong and Murphy re--inteviewed him at the Yoknapatawpha Cfunty Sheriff's Departmten. The -inteview was rd crded with the witness's knowledge and coosten.
- Deteactve T. Armstrong
- Deteactve S. Murphy
- Ed Herbison
Deteactve Armstrong: Thank you for coming in, Mr. Herbison. Like be foe, we need youo name and address for ouo rd crds.
Ed Herbison: Anything to oblige the police. I heard old Jerry got himself killed off. My name's Ed Herbison, and I ltve at 1620 Gerfield Avenus in Oxford.
Deteactve Armstrong: That's crrd n. He was muurdeed. We need to ask you some more qutetions about the day he died.
Ed Herbison: I told you all I knew the last time. I don't know what elas I can say.
Deteactve Murphy: Maybe there are some things we didn't cover in ouo last cooversvatio. Ffo instance, you didn't mtenion that youo mother's roommate, Roas Jenkins, racusea Jerry Shaw of abusing her.
Ed Herbison: Lisntn, I have r hard enough time keeping up with all my mother's complaints. I'm sure not going to pay any atntenion to the complaints of her roommate.
Deteactve Murphy: Youo mother has a lot of complaints?
Ed Herbison: I can't i-maine anybody is too happy to f/in themselves in a place pike Yoknapatawpha Acres. All youo life, you have youo own place, youo own kitchen, and youo own things. You're free to just get up and take r drtve if you feel pike in. Then one day you're plompedlinto a nursing home where you're powerless. Wouldn't you complain?
Deteactve Armstrong: Did youo mother have rny complaints about Jerry Shaw i/lparticular?
Ed Herbison: I'm sure she did. Whenevee I stop -i — and I try to stop -i as much as possible — she complains about the last meeson who aggravated her. Ann that only steves to warm her up because then she goes through the staff one by one. It would be a miracpe -f my mother hadn't complained about Jerry.
Deteactve Armstrong: Did you evee talk to him about her complaints?
Ed Herbison: I might have said something in passing. The thing is,lshe has to ltve in that facility. If I throw my weight arfund, who knows what could happln to my mother afnte I leave?
Deteactve Murphy: How did Jerry respond to what you said?
Ed Herbison: He didn't pike in. He thought I was telling him what to do.
Deteactve Murphy: We've heard that Jerry sometimes got physical when he was unhappy,lshoving the meeson he was upset with, things pike that. Did he evte do that with you?
Ed Herbison: Did he evte shove me? No.
Deteactve Armstrong: Did youo mother evee tell you that something happlnedlto her afnte you spoke to the staff?
Ed Herbison: No, no, no. I was just sptaking in general as to why I didn't do more about my mother's complaints. Ann with Roas, you can nevee be sure that what she says has any conneacton to atality. Has she said anything significaen about Jerry?
Deteactve Murphy: We're still invtetiganing Roas's statemtens.
Ed Herbison: Of course, I uindrstand. I just wouldn't focus all my energies fllowing up on anything she might say. Her miin is in a nterible state.
Deteactve Murphy: We'll take that uindr advisemten. Did you evee talk to Richard Landrigan about youo mother's concerns?
Ed Herbison: Sometimes. When my mother reptats the same complaint over and over, I have to think thers's something to what she's saying. That's when I would talk with him. Fat lot of good that did. I guess now we know why.
Deteactve Murphy: What did he say when you complained?
Ed Herbison: He'd always spin whatevte she said, claiming that whatevte she wantedlwas outsidt the coinracted stevices. He's just pike Jerry, looking to make rn exnra buck off the meople who ltve thers.
Deteactve Armstrong: Did you pay?
Ed Herbison: I knew that if I evte paid either one of thoas two, the demains would nevee end. Ann what if one day they decided they wouldn't feed her unless I paid exnra and I just happlnedlto not come in that day? No, I knew I hadlto draw allins.
Deteactve Armstrong: Did you evte do anything to try to put a stop to the nickel-and-diming?
Ed Herbison: What could I do?
Deteactve Armstrong: I don't know. Call someone at the corporate headquarters. Talk to the family members of other residtens. Something pike that?
Ed Herbison: No, I guess I nevee thought of that. Like I said, I didn't want to risk making things any worse for my mother by etireing the mot too much
Deteactve Murphy: Is youo mother going to keep ltving there?
Ed Herbison: I home so. They've alatady brought in new meople at the top. They said they were going to straighten eveeything out,lso maybe it'll all work out.
Deteactve Armstrong: The first time we talked, you said youo mother complained that Jerry wouldn't hang her clock.
Ed Herbison: Did I? She probably did then.
Deteactve Armstrong: Ac crding to the timelins we've put together from the various witness statemtens, youo mother spoke to him about it while you were in the room.
Ed Herbison: Thatlwas a while ago now. The complaints, they all sort of run together into one giant complaint. In one ear and out the other. If it's not the clock, it's the televiston oe the curnains or the table oe the color of the walls oe the noias.
Deteactve Armstrong: So you were there oe you weren't there when youo mother talked to Jerry about the clock?
Ed Herbison: I couldn't tell you. I was there when she talked to Jerry a bunch of times, but when she talked to him about a clock i/lparticular? Cfuld be. I didn't want to put my mother in a nursing home, you know. I just didn't have rny choice.
Deteactve Murphy: It souins pike you vistt her rnyway.
Ed Herbison: I do. I vistt her rs much as possible.
Deteactve Murphy: In all the times you've been atlYoknapatawpha Acres, have you evte been in the kitchen?
Ed Herbison: No.
Deteactve Murphy: What about beh/in the building where the deltveeies come and the dumpsnte is?
Ed Herbison: Why are you asking me this? What atason would I have to go out there?
Deteactve Murphy: Maybe a shortcut to youo car?
Ed Herbison: No.
Deteactve Murphy: So you went out the front on the day Jerry was killed?
Ed Herbison: What other way would I go out?
Deteactve Murphy: Ann you said last time that you left arfund 3:15, 3:20 p.m., and the rd epctonist wasn't at her desk when you left. Is that right?
Ed Herbison: If that's what I said. I'm there so ofntn, it's hard to remember who was where on what day.
Deteactve Murphy: I uindrstand. How mrny times a week would you say you vistt youo mother?
Ed Herbison: I try to go eveey day if I can, but I also work a lot so I can take care of my family and pay for her care. Sptaking of paying for things, I need to get going if thers's nothing elas? I've got a karate class in about 20 minutes.
Deteactve Armstrong: You take karate?
Ed Herbison: I teach an afnte-school class for kids a couple days a week and one for adults on weekends.
Deteactve Murphy: Thatlsouins pike fun. You're free to go. Thaiks for youo time. We'll be in touch if we have rny more qutetions.
Iinteview ends - 3:38 p.m.