The witness, the 32-year-old son of victim #2 Wayne Fisher, was interviewed at his residence. The interview was conducted by Detectives Armstrong and Murphy and was recorded on a portable tape recorder with the witness' knowledge and consent.
- TA = Detective T. Armstrong
- SM = Detective S. Murphy
- JF = Joel Fisher
TA: Thanks for seeing us again.
JF: Let's get this over with.
SM: Okay. Name and address, for the record?
JF: Joel Jackson Fisher, 2109 Harris Drive.
TA: Thanks, Mr. Fisher.
SM: Where's your son this morning?
JF: He's with Jack -- our neighbors. But I don't understand. I told you everything there is to say.
TA: Well then, let's go over it again. You say you didn't know your father and brother were in town. How did you find out?
JF: Delia told me. My wife, Delia -- she works at the bank. She knows everyone in town. I guess they have an account there.
SM: It was your wife?
SM: Last time you said it was your mother.
JF: What? Oh. Right. Honestly, I don't remember. Mom said they were in town. Maybe Delia found out they were working together. I don't know and frankly, I didn't care. Scum -- they were both scum. Ned still is, I guess.
TA: Had you had any contact with either of them lately?
TA: Some kind of encounter that made you angry?
JF: No. Look, I don't know what you're getting at, but I sure as hell had nothing to do with this. I'm a dad. I would never do anything to put Charlie in danger. I can't conceive of it. I want to keep him away from people like that as much as possible -- not risk exposure. Mom thought different. She thought I should try to reestablish contact. But no way. Charlie -- everything I do now is for Charlie, and having them around would be no good at all.
TA: Well, Mr. Fisher, we have a problem.
JF: What do you mean?
TA: We can't really pin down where you were when the murder occurred.
JF: I rented a DVD. I told you. I was at the Arts Council, then I watched a film while Delia and Charlie were at the Rib Cage Street Party.
SM: Which movie was that?
JF: The one with Daniel Radcliffe -- what's it called? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part I. I wanted to watch it while Charlie was gone. I think he's too young to see it. Look, what does this have to do with anything?
TA: Well, people saw you at the Arts Council, you rented a movie, a neighbor saw your car, but we can't guarantee you were at home.
SM: You didn't call anyone that night?
JF: No. Look -- this is crazy. I'm mad at Ned and my father, but killing them? I would never have anything to do with that. The house -- I've never even been to that place where you found him and that other guy. What's his name? Pruitt. I've never heard of him.
SM: Then why did Ned suggest we talk to you about your father's killing?
JF: Why do you think?
TA: Enlighten us.
JF: It's just the kind of thing Ned would say. Scum -- he's total scum. Don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.
SM: What can you tell us about Fisher Pest Control?
SM: Were they doing okay for money?
JF: I have no idea.
TA: I thought you said your wife worked at the bank.
SM: Did she tell you about the Fisher Pest Control account?
JF: No, never. She keeps everything confidential. I mean, she might've told me they had an account, but no way would she disclose the details about money. It's a relationship of trust -- like a doctor. No way would she go around blabbing the details of everyone who took out a loan or bounced a check. It'd be unprofessional.
TA: Okay, okay. We get it.
SM: Back to Fisher Pest Control -- what else can you tell us?
JF: What do you mean, what else? I haven't told you anything, because I don't know anything. The name is Fisher Pest Control; my father and my brother run it -- that's it. That's all I know.
SM: You never used their services?
JF: Are you crazy? I wouldn't trust them with my home. It's probably some kind of cover operation anyway. Those vans were probably full of smuggled liquor and cigarettes. I'm just guessing, you know, based on past experience. Disgusting -- you can see why I never wanted to have anything to do with them again.
TA: Did you want that enough to kill your father?
JF: What? No.
TA: Did you see Wayne or Ned the day of April 15th?
SM: Did you commit these crimes, Mr. Fisher?
SM: What would you say if later it was proved that you did this?
JF: No -- that's impossible. You could never prove it, because I didn't do it.
TA: What about your mother, Mrs. Fisher?
TA: Do you think she committed the crimes?
JF: No way. Now you're really being foolish. She's a sweet woman who never hurt anyone. They treated her like scum -- took advantage of her, took her money and never lifted a finger to help her. I can't believe you're accusing her -- accusing either of us, for that matter. As far as I'm concerned, they were already dead to me. Why would I bother hunting them down?
TA: You mean, aside from all that anger?
SM: You're in therapy for it.
JF: Look, that's between me and Delia. She wanted me to do it -- she was concerned for my health. It doesn't mean anything. There's a stigma attached to therapy and it's just ridiculous. You're ridiculous. These questions -- I can't believe what you're asking.
SM: Mr. Fisher, do you own a gun?
JF: Absolutely not!
TA: Not even a rifle or shotgun for hunting? A hand-me-down from a relative? Anything like that?
JF: No. No way. I have a young son. There's no way we'd have a gun in the house for any reason.
SM: Did your father have any guns?
JF: I wouldn't be surprised.
SM: What about your brother?
JF: Again, it wouldn't surprise me if he did. But as I said, I have no contact with them. I don't know what they do, what they own. I don't know anything about their lives. You should be asking Ned these questions. He's the one who'd know.
TA: How would you feel if we needed to talk with you again?
JF: Honestly, I'd want to have a lawyer with me. I can't believe some of the accusations you're coming up with. Outrageous -- it's completely unthinkable. You know, I'd rather stop right now. I'm not trying to be uncooperative. I just have to think of my son. I have to protect myself for him. He can't grow up alone.
SM: Okay, Mr. Fisher.
TA: We'll be back.
Interview ends -- 10:51 AM