Monday, April 19, 2010 - 9:01 am
The witness, Phillip Shaw, is a forty-one-year old Caucasian male. The interview was conducted at the Yoknapatawpha Sheriff's Department and recorded on a portable tape recorder with the witness's knowledge and consent
Detective Ted Armstrong
Detective Samantha Murphy
Detective Armstrong: 'morning.
Phil Shaw: Hi. I know you want to ask me questions about Jerry, right?
Detective Armstrong: Yes, we do, but first would you state your name and address before we begin?
Phil Shaw: Why not? My name is Phillip Shaw, but just call me Phil. I live at 380 Vivian Street, here in Oxford.
Detective Armstrong: Now, we can begin. Do you know of any physical condition that would make your brother Jerry to just drop dead?
Phil Shaw: Ha! I like the way you put that. Contrariness maybe?
Detective Armstrong: That sounds like you didn't get along with your brother. Would I be right in assuming that?
Phil Shaw: Yep, you hit the nail on the head for sure.
Detective Armstrong: Well, do you know of anyone who would want to harm him in any way?
Phil Shaw: I imagine that list would be very long. I don't imagine he made a lot of money at the job he had, so he must've had some way to make extra money. Probably stole it.
Detective Murphy: A lot of people work as orderlies or aides in hospitals and nursing homes and seem to do alright. Why not Jerry?
Phil Shaw: Would you want to do that job? Jerry could have done much better, but he was lazy and no account. I mean, did you see the garbage out back of that nursing home? It was disgusting, but if Jerry is the one in charge of taking out the garbage, it is exactly what I'd expect. I would think the manager would have had a lot to say about that negligence, unless he didn't care either.
Detective Murphy: Did you see Mr. Shaw often, Phil?
Phil Shaw: Are you kidding? We haven't spoken in some time. I didn't approve of his work ethics or the choices he made in his life, and he couldn't stand the thought that I had made something of myself. Jealous.
Detective Armstrong: What kind of work do you do that would make him envious of you?
Phil Shaw: I went to the university and now own my own business. Shaw's Tax and Accounting Service. I'm also preparing to open my real estate business. After the way Jerry ended up, I'm very proud of my hard work. I know if he had lived, Jerry would probably end up on Skid Row somewhere. I sure wasn't going to take care of him. We were both left enough money to get an education. I used mine for just that while Jerry squandered him.
Detective Murphy: How did he squander it? You mean it just dwindled away or did he spend it all at once?
Phil Shaw: He gambled. He used to try to get me to do it, too, but I refused and tried to convince him that he couldn't make a living at gambling, but he wouldn't listen. He was too stubborn and head strong, so he ended up working in a nursing home as a flunky.
Detective Armstrong: Do you know anything about Jerry’s life or acquaintances that might help us decide whether Mr. Shaw died of natural causes or something worse? Did he ever speak of any friends or enemies he may have had?
Phil Shaw: I'm trying to remember. Like I said, it's been a long time. He was strutting on about some Bonnie or Lonnie or something. That's about all I can remember
Detective Murphy: Bonnie Atkins?
Phil Shaw: Yes, that’s it. Atkins. When you run a business, it's good to have a head for names.
Detective Armstrong: Anything else you can tell us?
Phil Shaw: No, that’s about it. Like I said, I haven't spoken with Jerry for some time. By the way, how did you find out that Jerry had a brother? I can't imagine him mentioning me to anyone. I sure didn't let anyone know that Jerry was my brother. It was embarrassing.
Detective Armstrong: Were you embarrassed enough to want him dead and out of the way? Were you at the nursing home at the time of Jerry’s death?
Phil Shaw: You have to be kidding! If I wanted to kill Jerry, I wouldn't be stupid enough to go and do it in broad daylight!
Detective Armstrong: Hate can drive people to do strange things. I think we're done with you for now, but you never know, we may have to call on you again.
Phil Shaw: I can't imagine why you would need me for anything else. I told you I know very little about Jerry's life anymore. Even though he was my brother, I don't feel any great loss. If you're finished with me, I need to get back to the office.
Detective Armstrong: You can go, but don't be shocked if we ask you back.
Interview ended: 9:47 am